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    I have a Walther KKM international match rifle that I purchased from a retired military who shot the rifle a few years . The barrel is glassed bed by a military specialist in around 1970. I have a Vortex Golden Eagle scope and waiting for sportmatch rings. A Cliff Arnold one piece rest with his roller top and a aluminum forearm plate.Im waiting to test several different ammos before installing a tuner. My question is what can I do to increase the rifles accuracy. I also have a Remington 40x to work on as well. I'm totally new to benchrest shooting and to this site and not aware of its history. Any and all responses will be respected and appreciated. Thank you for your consideration,2be1

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    Not knowing where you shoot...................would suggest attending local matches, if available.

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    Quote Originally Posted by twobe1 View Post
    I have a Walther KKM international match rifle that I purchased from a retired military who shot the rifle a few years . The barrel is glassed bed by a military specialist in around 1970. I have a Vortex Golden Eagle scope and waiting for sportmatch rings. A Cliff Arnold one piece rest with his roller top and a aluminum forearm plate.Im waiting to test several different ammos before installing a tuner. My question is what can I do to increase the rifles accuracy. I also have a Remington 40x to work on as well. I'm totally new to benchrest shooting and to this site and not aware of its history. Any and all responses will be respected and appreciated. Thank you for your consideration,2be1
    Do you want to compete or just participate ? The rifle you have, while it is considered a match rifle and may do okay, is not in the same league with the custom built rifles, used in ARA or IR50.

    I used factory rifles for the first couple of years I went to sanctioned matches. I did okay, but never was a contender. If you really want to use one of the two rifles you mentioned, the 40X action would make a great donor, in the building of a BR rifle. The sad part is, that you can have a custom rifle built, for about the same as you would have in the 40X, when its done correctly.

    George

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    Nothing local, I'm building my own 50 yard range at my home. The closest club that shoots benchrest rimfire is four hours away. What does a custom rifle have that the Walther don't have when it comes to potential accuracy? I know everything is a science today , wind flags , scopes , triggers and I look forward to studying it all. I guess I'll have to study rifle accuracy to fully understand what a custom rifle offers. I'm so old school that the custom look just doesn't appeal to me. Although if they out perform what I have I'll make the change. Thank you for your information,2be1

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    The biggest thing that can potentially help is a custom barrel chambered by a proven RFBR gunsmith. I am not familiar with the Walther and how it works for an action. The aftermarket actions have the ability to have a left loading port which aids in shooting. Good consistent ignition is a key to good accuracy if everything is straight on the action. A flat and 3 inch wide fore end stock will make the gun much easier to shoot and recoil in the rest. I have seen many factory guns significantly improve when put in a BR type of stock. Get a good rest setup and a scope with enough power to see what's going on.

    Have fun man. It's a journey.

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    Default Shoot some targets

    When you get your range set up shoot some targets. Be they ARA or IR50/50. Then score them.
    Buy a plug and a loupe and score them honestly.
    Would the results be competitive?
    Shoot some groups.
    Are you happy with the numbers?
    Choose benign days to do the testing.

    The one gun a fellow has done real well with is an Anschutz in a modified sporter stock.
    The other a full asssualt benchrest rig.
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    In a custom rifle it must be more than just the stock . Do they have a rate of twist that's different than a manufacturer rifle. I don't fully understand harmonics yet and perhaps that's what is built into custom rifles.The Walther rifle I own was made about 1970 and very well maintained but perhaps the rifling process is more precise today verses then. I'm really getting excited about shooting it with a variety of ammo. The original owner said it shot very well with winchester Eley in his day but not shot the rifle after about 1973. Just kept it in a safe. I can't find winchester Eley but did find Remington Eley. I truly appreciate the info and looking to shoot with some of you someday.

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    Default Research time

    Time to start researching. Most all of your questions can be answered by perusing various threads. And sites.
    Go to accurateshooter.com. Find the link to the barrel manufacturers. What twist rates are offered for .22 Rimfires?
    In the threads on this site almost exclusively the ammo discussed is either Lapua or Eley. RWS is a minor player. Buy some Eley or Lapua and see what shoots best.
    www.killoughshootingsports.com for Eley ammo.
    Go to Rimfirecentral.com and you might find a person with knowledge of 45 year old Walther .22's and their barrel characteristics.
    Good luck in your quest. Fore there is a LOT to learn.
    The best thing to do is show up at a big shoot. The IR50/50 in Virginia (November 11/12) will have many attendees. The ARA shoot in North Carolina (Dec 8/9/10) will have a large turnout. Both shoots will feature many of the top east coast shooters. Good group of people encompass the shooting world.
    You can't change the past. Only the future.

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    Some of the Walther KKM barrels were/are amazingly accurate. They have very good triggers, also a big plus. Parts availability is the main down side. Neal Stepp at ISS should be able to help with that when needed. I had one that I shot metallic sights with that would win many a match. Yes, we have metallic sight 50 yard bench rest matches at my local club.

    Before spending gobs of money put that sled on the front of the stock, get it to track in your rest as best you can and start shooting it. Start learning to read your wind flags. If you are pleased with the performance put a muzzle device aka tuner on the end of the barrel and shoot it some more. By the time you are better than your rifle you will have learned much about the game of bench rest and will be much better equipped to make informed decisions about equipment.

    I have several custom bench rest rifles. That said, one of my favorite rifles is a 1970's vintage Anschutz 54 match that I use in factory rifle matches because my custom guns are not allowed. Different feel than the custom guns and tracks a bit differently in the rest but keeps me competitive. Good luck to you, and most importantly have fun, it is a journey not just a trip. bob

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    Quote Originally Posted by eidolon View Post
    Time to start researching. Most all of your questions can be answered by perusing various threads. And sites.
    Go to accurateshooter.com. Find the link to the barrel manufacturers. What twist rates are offered for .22 Rimfires?
    In the threads on this site almost exclusively the ammo discussed is either Lapua or Eley. RWS is a minor player. Buy some Eley or Lapua and see what shoots best.
    www.killoughshootingsports.com for Eley ammo.
    Go to Rimfirecentral.com and you might find a person with knowledge of 45 year old Walther .22's and their barrel characteristics.
    Good luck in your quest. Fore there is a LOT to learn.
    The best thing to do is show up at a big shoot. The IR50/50 in Virginia (November 11/12) will have many attendees. The ARA shoot in North Carolina (Dec 8/9/10) will have a large turnout. Both shoots will feature many of the top east coast shooters. Good group of people encompass the shooting world.
    Ralph,

    Indoor nationals for ARA is the first weekend in December. Would hate to have you show up a week late

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    Quote Originally Posted by twobe1 View Post
    In a custom rifle it must be more than just the stock . Do they have a rate of twist that's different than a manufacturer rifle. I don't fully understand harmonics yet and perhaps that's what is built into custom rifles.The Walther rifle I own was made about 1970 and very well maintained but perhaps the rifling process is more precise today verses then. I'm really getting excited about shooting it with a variety of ammo. The original owner said it shot very well with winchester Eley in his day but not shot the rifle after about 1973. Just kept it in a safe. I can't find winchester Eley but did find Remington Eley. I truly appreciate the info and looking to shoot with some of you someday.
    The differences between a custom and a factory gun are numerous. Its kinda like comparing a factory Z28 Camaro to a purpose built drag car. Both perform well, but it all depends on who you are playing with. The custom will have many small differences (and a few big ones) in multiple places that add up to a fairly large end difference. All the accessories in the game matter too. The rest, tuners, scopes etc are very important for maximum accuracy. Don't let anyone convince you that you need to work your way up in equipment. If you can afford the best equipment, your learning curve will be much shorter, as many of the mistakes and misgivings that you may think are you are actually equipment based. Be ready to drop $7K or more for the best new stuff though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hozzie View Post
    Ralph,

    Indoor nationals for ARA is the first weekend in December. Would hate to have you show up a week late
    The mind is a feeble thing. Thanks Jamie.
    You can't change the past. Only the future.

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    By the time I shoot my first round out of my rifle I will have spent in excess of 4,000 dollars . The ammo I purchased is Eley black box and center x as well as other Eley ammo. I have about 300.00 in the but plate ,spacers and rubber pad. Two hundred targets, timer, chrony , target stand and large heavy bullet trap. All adds up in a hurry. Looking at wind flags and a tuner as well.

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